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Despite the recent stand-off over ”ownership” Kosovo, since the majority of the population declared independence from Serbia; the Serbian government which dispute’s Kosovo’s independent status, has announced plans to invest 40 million euro in the country’s main ski centre at Brezovica.
Brezovica Ski Centre is seen as a microcosm of life in Kosovo and up to the declaration of Kosovan independence was enjoying a busy season with skiers from each ethnic group skiing together as they reportedly did throughout earlier tense periods. However the slopes are reported to have been largely deserted since the declaration of independence on February 17th, leading to local businesses fearing bankruptcy.
The Serbian government’s investment announcement is reported by Serbian media to be part of a wider policy of denying that Kosovo is independent and announcing financial incentives to remain part of Serbia to encourage a change of mind for those who consider that it is.
A new limited liability company is to be established using public money to fund upgrades at the resort, which is 400km (250 miles) from Belgrade. The exact spending plans for the money are yet to be announced. The centre currently has nine largely elderly lifts reaching up to 2,500m above sea level.
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don’t understand this move by serbian government: how can you call Kosovo still yours if US, Canada, Australia, European countries, etc. have recognised it as an independent state? I think they should stop behaving like nothing happened, and realise that what they have done to Kosovo and other parts of ex-yugoslavia cannot be undone, and just accept it publicly Kosovo as independent and neighbour. Sure that most of the serbs think/feel like that: the idea of Kosovo part of Serbia is only in some of pathetic minds…
Jane – may be so but when is so called ‘kosovar’ government to respect private property ownership? For example in the waves of privatizations they took someone else proprerty (called steeling) and sold it to others. They tried to do same in Brezovica even though Genex is the private OWNER. Besides Canada, IS and other BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW. They are criminals!!!! So are you for supporting them in your pathetic mind ….
Anna- Shut up, its all over and done, this is typical serbian mentality. It is not your land, and just like Jane said, STOP PRETENDING NOTHING HAPPEND, it all did it is an independent state and no one else is to blame but Serbia for loosing it.
Tom- You must be about 10 years old. Telling someone to shut up. And you must be a racist…”typical serbian mentality?” Ana brought up a great point. If it’s owned by the Serbs…then why not continue to pour money into an investment. Wouldn’t you? Maybe not. And nothing is truly done. If the world is united in their stand that Kosovo should be its own country….then that’s one thing. But it’s not. Let’s keep this a ski discussion…not a childish, political forum for morons like you. And for that matter, add “pathetic minded” Jane to that list as well.
Ned, you’re an idiot… Ive worked in Kosovo and I know that this move by the Serb government is totally wrong. Kosovo is Albanian land, NOT Serbian. History proves it.
Ned
We have seen the same resurgence of a typical Serbian mentality of denying facts over and over again. Kosovo is free of Serbian rule, they are an independent country, what on earth is serbia doing there?
It would do much better to take that money and invest it in helping its onw citizens; the Kosovar’s are doing just fine…
Further more, if serbia wants to help serbian minorities in Kosovo it would do better to recognize the Kosovar govt. as a neighbour and ogether help the serbian minority in Kosovo.
Serbia, wake up…
its not about Kosovo, its about a ski resort!!! grow up!!! and just because US influenced other countries to accept that weak ass independence, doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do!!! some of you should reread history, Kosovo was always Serbian until new selfish powers arose and started butting into everyone else’s affairs, making things worse!i accuse the US military of genocide in Iraq!!!!! no different than the Balkans!!!!
Matt….
What a novel concept! Not investing time or money in foreign countries or foreign affairs, and worrying about helping your own people and own country. You must not be an American or support American politics!
If you’d like political discussions, plenty of other websites for that. And here I thought we were in discussions about a destination that the rest of the world will see is growing…and money and time is being invested to improve it. Are you telling me there is not one foreign owned entity in the U.S. that doesn’t have foreign funds running it, or keeping it up?! Let’s get back to ski discussions because its obvious that most of you aren’t savvy enough to know that nothing in this world doesn’t have some underlying monetary or political driven motives. Doesn’t mater what you or I think…unless you have a ton of money or power…you’ll just be spinning your wheels. And if you don’t live in Kosovo…or Serbia…what’s your rift???? Actually, don’t answer that. We already know. Happy skiing!!! And maybe if you and I are lucky…one day we can hit the slopes in the Serbian owned resort!
Oh….and John…my family and I are FROM Kosovo. Calling me an idiot, as I said before, is CHILDISH. I guess you working there trumps me being from there. You are an obvious authority. I’m so sorry. Man…I guess me working a summer in Rome makes me an expert in Italian policies. hahahahaha
You guys make me laugh. If you’re going to post things….at least sound educated!!!
So let my small female brain understand this. If I move in illegally to your home, as long as I can call few cousins, otherwise Mafioso (US), I can declare your house mine, my cousin seconds that and than I can sell it to someone else. In essence that is what happened in Kosovo. Another point is that property stolen by communists after second world war was not returned to rightful owner – Serbian Orthodox church. Did you know what is a full name of Kosovo? Kosovo and Metohia (means church land). Actually I am glad that Albanias declared independence since it is going to be easier to sue them to the court of law for steeling. Great country Kosovo – smuggles arms, organs (Del Ponta said so in her book – that KLA captured Serbs and cut them open to sell their organs), women, children, have largest pedophile ring in Europe. GO KOSOVO!!! Proud Canada supports such state – beakon of crime and heroin!!! Well done!!! (Ps – Not Serbian but Macedonian)
Well Anna, it seems you have no idea what is history. Kosovo was never part of Serbia. Let me explain that Serbs came in Ballkans on VI century while Albanians (Ilirians) where there. How come the whole world is wrong and only you are right. The whole world now knows Serb barbarism against other nations. The world did not forget barbarism, genocide done by Serbs, in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. It was Serbian army blessed by criminal Serb Orthodox church that started war and genocide. You Serbs grow up inspired by the idea to hate others while pretending that God chosen people. The fact is that Serbs created a fake history that Kosovo was always part of Serbia. What a hell, you Serbs have a sick collective mentality. Serbs are simply a barbaric nation that the world finnally realized that. If people will forget what kind of crimes you did, God will never do that. God will punish more for the crimes you did.
Kosovo was Serbia for 1000 of years ,i know that now many will try to rewrite history but houndreds and houndreds of serbian churches who are 1000 years old are still there.Albanians with support of NATO burned many of them but try will not go.Albanians have their country called Albania and kosovo is serbian land.Albanians came from albania because it is poor country and they try to steel everything,i am wery sory that west is suporting it just because they see it as a way to moraly hurt Russua.Yugoslavia was konfederation of 6 countries Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia,Macedonia,MOntenegro and Serbia.Kosovo is geographic part of Serbia and again i say that this is big shame for west.Serbs are 95% in Republika Srpska which is republic in bosnia and i am asking why west is not recognize them.Just because they are Serbs and US see us a russian aly and i must say that world war I and II milions of Serbs died fighting on alias side and albanians and other nations in balcans were with nacis.
Serbia’s attempt to bring other republics of former Yugoslavia under it’s clows ended will Serbia deserted by everyone.The genocide,rapes and massacres commited by Serbs against innocent Croats,Muslims and Kosovar Albanians are well documented by world most respected Human right Groups.Even tiny Montenegro that shares the same language and relegion with Serbia split from Serbia.
No one wants to live with this barbaric nation.It started with Kosovo and hopefully it ended with Kosovo.
I grew up 20 miles away from Brezovica Resort.I was there last year with my family.Kosovo indipendence will bring in world class experts to plan and invest in this truly uniqe skiing paradise.Serbia talk is and empty pathetic attempt to undermine Kosovo’s well derserved Indipendence.Soon Brezovice and Kosovar hospitalitywill be open to skiers around the world.
Greetings from Alaska
Serbs should invest that money in mental schools and send themselves there. After they started all those wars in Balkans, they feel the victims. Mentally sick nation
Dzoni: Kosova was part of Serbia for 1000 years <——???? either pull your head out of your azz or ask your government for a mental school
Albanians are their worthless and ruin everything they touch, just look at the areas they live in nothing but plague infested with criminals, drug and human traffickers.
What a hell Alexander!!! Don’t you have any other argument!? Where is that drugs, criminals and human traffickers! Statistics are showing that criminality in fact is lowest in Kosovo and Albania. Can you imagine after second war antisemitism a model from racism was seen in Serbia when Serb citizens boycotted bread prepared in Albanian shops. What a hate, what a racism! After the independence of Kosovo, Serbs in their protests shouted louder “Kill, kill, cut them on pieces Albanians”, this proves what a incredible hate Serbs have against other nations. Just to remind you that Kosovo is now sovereign country and Albania is in NATO. Albanians with their allies will never again allow that somebody touch their freedom. NEVER AGAIN. And back to ski resort , it is part of Republic of Kosovo and it is asset of citizens of this country. So the democratically elected government of Republic of Kosova will decide how to manage investment not Serbian government, since they can not interfere on internal affairs of other country.
Kosovar can’t live on their own how can they declare independence? I am not gonna feed them. Serbs should be in fact so lucky they got rid of drug smuglers and lazy people. Shame on US, GB, France, Germany. Now it’s frozen conflict. No one take kosovo otherwise then a puppet of US.
Well my friend you should not worry about how we are going to live. Nobody is asking you to feed anyone. Everybody who lives without Serbs lives better, and that is for sure. It is not simply possible to reach agreements with Serbs. Can you imagine Serbs burned Slovenian investments in Serbia (like Merkaptor) just because they don’t think in the same way. This is not a frozen conflict it is a finished story. This is independent country. Serbs will NEVER-EVER again control it. Yes in fact Albanians are a strong ally of US, and this is not a secret.
And back to ski resort, Serbian government is dreaming! It is the same thing just like saying we will invest in Bulgaria but we will not ask Bulgarian government. Does it make sense?! Come on back in reality. You Serbs lost! This is REPUBLIC OF KOSOVO!
A song dedicated to Serbians:
Justin Timberlake “Cry me a river”
Realy??? I have solution to prove once for all who are albanians related to ( and it is not Ilirians – actually Serbs and Croats ARE Ilirians). Lets do a genetic testing either mitohondrial or Y chromosome to see when albanian tribes came with turks to Balkans. As to who is original inhabitan of the Balkans here is a studu of the origin of Slovens tribes, published in
Russian Journal of Genetics, Vol. 37, No. 12, 2001, pp. 1437–1443. Translated from Genetika, Vol. 37, No. 12, 2001, pp. 1705–1712.
Original Russian Text Copyright © 2001 by Malyarchuk.
States:
“Conclusion (4) that the Slavonic mitochondrial gene
pool is similar to that of the Balkan populations is supported
by linguistic data, as proto-Slavonic dialects are
considered connected with the southeastern group of
Indo-European dialects ([1], pp. 81–82). According to
this hypothesis, proto-Slavs were isolated from southeastern
populations and moved to Northwestern Europe
at the boundary of the 3rd and 2nd milleniums BC”
So Slavs were there EVEN before so called Ilirian – which you Albos are not. Lets do genetic testing and see who you are – although we know that you are killers, pedophiles and so one. BTW Which Serbian was accused for genocide on Albanian – I read Miloshevich charge and he was NEVER EVER EVER accused for genocide over albanians. So you see people moment they open their mouth they LIE!!!
hello folks fuck all of u supportin’ albania.remember one thing albanians r bastards who should be destroyed. they have the right to get destroyed. to increase your historical knowledge i wanna to say that there handful of albanians rsidin’ in kosovo before balkan war erupted.after which thousand n thousands of albanians entered kosovo and setteled there outnumberin’ serbs.after sometime when war erupted in kosovo and persecution of peaceful serbs were done by satanic albanians milions of serbs have to fled from there. that’s why today majority of kosovars r albanians.
by the way i have no blood relations with serbs but i still support them for truth n justice.
i m from kazakhastan.
I think all of you above need to understand something. Americans for one and English are among the idiots of this world. You believe Superman is real. Kosovo is Serbia, period! I hope Vermont declares independance from the USA and Quebec as well, then I hope the majority Cubans in South Florida declare independance. They have a right to self determination, right? Ask yourself this before you respond with such stupied answers. Jane and Tom, lets say your neighbor of 10 years comes and tells you to leave your home its now theirs and you have lived there for 20 years. How would you act?
Surely this Jackass must be an authority and expert in SE European history. Let me tell you something, and all of you Serbs. You were engaged in ethinc cleansing and this is a fact. Kosovars put up with your pathetic politics and attitude towards them for a long time, until enough is enough. You never stoped and asked yourself, if these people were happy why would they fight against us? Why did you send the army there in the fisrt place? Now, you can say whatever you want about Albanians, and by all means bitch and moan… It is only natural for you to get mad. By the way Anna, let’s talk about genetic testing for a second. What did you compare your samples to? I hope you are aware there are no known Illyrian graves with actual bodies to extract valid DNA samples. Finally, allow me to re-fresh your memory on what Milloshevic was charged with:
The Indictment charges Slobodan Milosevic on the basis of individual criminal responsibility (Article 7(1) of the Statute) and superior criminal responsibility (Article 7(3) thereof) with:
a) nine counts of grave breaches of the 1949 Geneva Conventions (Article 2 thereof – wilful killing; unlawful confinement; torture; wilfully causing great suffering; unlawful deportation or transfer; extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly),
b) 13 counts of violations of the laws or customs of war (Article 3 thereof – murder; torture; cruel treatment; wanton destruction of villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity; destruction or wilful damage done to institutions dedicated to education or religion; plunder of public or private property; attacks on civilians; destruction or wilful damage done to historic monuments and institutions dedicated to education or religion; unlawful attacks on civilian objects), and
c) 10 counts of crimes against humanity (Article 5 thereof – persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds; extermination; murder; imprisonment; torture; inhumane acts; deportation; inhumane acts (forcible transfers)).
According to the indictment concerning “Bosnia and Herzegovina”, Milosevic between 1987 and the end of 2000 played an important political role in Serbia and the Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY) and later the FRY. Milosevic is thus accused of having acted, individually or as part of a joint criminal enterprise, in the following manner:
a) He allegedly exerted effective control over the elements of the Yugoslav People’s Army (“JNA”) and the Yugoslav Army (“VJ”) which participated in the planning, preparation, facilitation and execution of the forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of Bosnia and Herzegovina;
(b) It is alleged that he provided financial, logistical and political support to the Bosnian Serb Army (“VRS”), and that these forces subsequently participated in the execution of the joint criminal enterprise, committing crimes under articles 2, 3, 4 et 5 of the ICTY Statute;
(c) He allegedly exercised substantial influence over and assisted the political leadership of the “Republika Srpska” in the planning, preparation, facilitation and execution of the take-over of municipalities in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the subsequent forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, mainly Muslims and Bosnian Croats;
(d) He is said to have participated in the planning and preparation of the take-over of municipalities in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the subsequent forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, mainly Muslims and Bosnian Croats. He allegedly provided the financial, material and logistical support for such a take-over;
(e) He allegedly participated in the formation, financing, supply, support and direction of special forces of the Republic of Serbia Ministry of Internal Affairs (“MUP”). These special forces are said to have participated in the execution of the joint criminal enterprise, committing crimes under articles 2, 3, 4 et 5 of the ICTY Statute;
(f) He is alleged to have participated in providing financial, logistical and political support and direction to Serbian irregular forces or paramilitaries. These forces allegedly participated in the execution of the joint criminal enterprise, committing crimes under articles 2, 3, 4 et 5 of the ICTY Statute;
(g) He allegedly controlled, manipulated or otherwise utilised Serbian state-run media to spread exaggerated and false messages of ethnically based attacks by Bosnian Muslims and Croats against Serbs intended to create an atmosphere of fear and hatred among Serbs living in Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina which contributed to the forcible removal of the majority of non-Serbs, mainly Muslims and Bosnian Croats.
Finally, in the indictment concerning “Kosovo”, it is alleged that between 1 January 1999 and 20 June 1999, the military forces of the FRY and the Serbian police forces, acting at the direction, with the encouragement, or with the support of the Accused, executed a campaign of terror and violence directed at Kosovo Albanian civilians.
It is alleged that the operations targeting the Kosovo Albanians were undertaken with the objective of expelling a substantial portion of the Kosovo Albanian population from Kosovo in an effort to ensure continued Serbian control over the province. The Indictment goes on to describe a series of well-planned and coordinated operations undertaken by the forces of the FRY and Serbia.
According to the indictment, approximately 800,000 Kosovo Albanian civilians were expelled from the province by their forced removal and subsequent looting and destruction of their homes, or by the shelling of villages. Surviving residents were sent to the borders of neighboring countries. En route, many were killed, abused and had their possessions and identification papers stolen. Furthermore, several massacres are alleged to have been committed in different places.
Based on the entirety of these facts, Slobodan Milosevic has to answer for 66 counts of indictment (genocide, crimes against humanity, Grave Breaches of the Geneva Conventions, violations of the laws of customs of war).
Slobodan Milosevic was arrested on 1 April 2001 in Belgrade and transferred to the ICTY on 29 June 2001. He was found dead in his cell on 11 March 2006.
Serbis < Built as many churches as you can when you take someones land, and then 1000 years later, claim that it was always you’re because Churches are there! hahaha they’re so pathetic and the whole world knows it.
Anna you are a sad person.
And yes, you have a very tiny little brain.
Judging by the nature of your comments, you must be an ugly dirty scam bag.
What’s next?-Will you explain to us that Alexander the Great was a Slav?
How pathetic!
Allow me to post this interesting article composed by a Serb regarding Serb mentality. Granted i’ve had the pleasure to meet and befriend quite a few decent people of Serbian origins. Not all them think like the above, but check out what kind of poisonous thinking did they feed them with…
Author: Olivera Milosavljevic
Uploaded: Tuesday, 25 March, 2008
The author traces the way in which earlier Serbian historians, writers and politicans created a stereotype of Albanians as implacable enemies of all that is Serb
The Albanians are today unquestionably considered the greatest ‘enemies’ of the Serbs. Although this may be ascribed to political events and the distasteful portrayal of Albanians in the Serbian media, it is nevertheless necessary to look deeper into the reasons for the disdain with which they have been treated by Serbian writers and politicians.
Serbian intellectuals today write about Albanians mainly within the framework of a stereotype about their ingrained hatred of – and desire to destroy – the Serbs, which is said to originate from their very nature, characterised by primitivism and banditry. Earlier authors, meanwhile, sought also to prove the Albanians’ alleged incapacity for autonomous state existence, which they likewise derived from their nature. In their view, the Albanian ‘tribes’ neither needed a state nor were capable of becoming a nation. So such authors saw the solution, in line with Serbia’s own state-political programme, in terms of a benevolent colonisation which, by including the Albanians and their lands into the Serbian state, would prepare them for civilised existence. Contemporary writings about the Albanians commonly include such stereotypes, repeated over and over again during the past one hundred years: that they are not a nation, and that their lack of civilisation precludes them from establishing an independent state. From this derives the assertion that Skanderbeg was a Serb.
Albanians hate Serbs
In the 1980s the Albanian name came to be linked exclusively with words such as genocide, terror, banditry, rape – every mention of this population in both political and private exchange carried a negative connotation. Following Dimitrije Bogdanović’s book Knjiga o Kosovu, published in 1985 by the Serbian Academy of Arts and Science (SANU), and his frequent appearances on television, Serbian intellectuals would write about Albanians only in order to confirm in some form that Serbs in Kosovo were the victims of a planned genocide, so that Bogdanović was soon left behind in this display of negative sentiment against Albanians. In his book, Bogdanović had revived the old thesis that Albanian settlement of Serb lands in the 17th century had left a memory of bloody violence suffered by the Serbs, which he elaborated through examples of collective and individual acts of terror, pillage, pogroms and expulsion of Serbs from their land, and with the assertion that the basis of Albanian settlement was to be found in the conversion of Serbs to Islam, accompanied by ethnic assimilation and brute force. According to him, the Serb people thus became the victim not just of some chaotic movement, but of a pre-planned physical destruction. The extension of this negative image to the Albanian people as a whole was carried out by presenting the Albanian political movement as aggressive, invasive, vengeful, conservative and nationalistic, aimed at destroying the Serb people through murder, expulsion and erasure from history, and at the seizure of Serb land with the intention of surrounding and destroying the Serbs themselves. According to Bogdanović, the thesis of the Illyrian origin of the Albanians was racist, because it was used to establish a primal claim to the territory. At the same time, when writing about the settlement of Serbs in the Balkans at a time that he describes as Albanian pre-history, he mentions the ancestors of the Albanians without saying who they were.
According to historian and SANU member Radovan Samardžić, the Albanians were expansionist already in the 16th century: they were unleashed by the Turks against the Serbs in order to drive a destructive wedge into ancient Serb lands. The Serbs were pushed back by methods that included murder and pillage, the torching of their villages, seizure of their land and enforced Islamisation.
For the sociologist Marko Mladenović too, who made frequent appearances in the media at this time, the genocide and apartheid practised against the Kosovo Serbs was self-evident, and the story about the Albanians’ Illyrian origins was an archaeological fog constructed in order to claim the alleged lands of the contemporary Albanians’ prehistoric ancestors. He insisted that there were no Albanians in Kosovo before the 17th century, and that they were not in a majority there before the Second World War. The persecutors of the Serbs in Kosovo ranged from ‘Bashibazouks’ to ‘Ballists’, associated respectively with Islam and extreme nationalism. This circle of Serbian intellectuals never doubted, moreover, that the Albanians even used children for their political purposes. Bogdanović wrote about Albanian children being encouraged to attack Serb children, while for Mladenović they were used to establish an Albanian numerical preponderance.
A bishop of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC), Atanasije Jevtić, insists that the Albanians’ aim in Kosovo has always been the following: more land, more children, and more weapons. He stresses in particular that Albanian children have not merely been manipulated, but feel deep hatred towards everything that is Serb and Christian in Kosovo, for which he blames their parents and teachers, and the primitive clan and Muslim spirit.
While for Bogdanović the Albanians were tools in Turkish hands, for Samardžić they were tools of the Roman curia, which counted on them as people of weak faith and honour, who could accordingly be converted to Catholicism without too much effort. In his portrayal of the Albanian national character, Samardžić speaks of their barbaric nature, their fantastic powers of reproduction, their inhuman odiousness, and their bloody orgies.
During the 1990s, a paradigmatic text written by Miodrag Jovičić appeared in the SANU collection of texts: Serbs and Albanians in the 20th century. The Albanians appear here as ‘Arnauti’ – as marauding bandits genetically predisposed to violence. For Jovičić too, it was their Islamisation that explains why the Turks gave the Albanians carte blanche to terrorise the Serb population through the use of violence, plunder and banditry. Adopting the thesis that tradition and accumulated experience determine a certain biological predisposition in a nation, he argues that violence has become part of the genetic make-up of all layers of the Albanian population, together with hatred of the Serbs, whose only fault is that they are alive.
An approach to historical events as a repayment of debts here comes most directly to the fore. Although Jovičić accepts that in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia the Albanians were not precisely pets of the regime, he nevertheless concludes that they had not by any means paid off the debt for what they had done to the Serb people during the time of Turkish rule. In the same style of earned and unearned history is his observation that, in view of past experience, the Albanian minority simply did not deserve to have autonomy within Serbia. On the contrary, Jovičić argues, many believe that in 1945 the Albanians should have been placed in a special quarantine, and been given autonomy only after they had offered sufficient proof of their capacity for civilised cohabitation. For Jovičić too, then, Albanians are genetic enemies of Serbia and Serbdom , bearers of an aggressive chauvinism and racism, a fact which only serves to prove that it is impossible to create conditions for co-existence of the various national groups who live in Kosovo.
According to this author, Albanians feel a primaeval hatred towards Serbia and Serbdom, and their genocidal behaviour has been present in all centuries. He sees a solution to this problem in altering the province of Kosovo’s existing ethnic composition – by returning all the Serbs who have left, by creating new Serb settlements, and by suspending the present autonomy for a certain period. Contemporary authors have also written about Albanian historical inferiority; about the open genocide perpetrated against Serbs in the 19th century by means of pillage, murder, rape and abduction of women then forced to convert to Islam; about the ethnic and religious intolerance towards Serbs that has formed the basis of all political movements of the ‘Arbanasi’; about their aggressive and destructive fury directed against all that is Serb; about their conduct as invaders and occupiers.
It is argued, with reference to the centuries-old relationship between Albanians and Serbs, that a barbaric and aggressive eruption of Albanian nationalism and separatism occurs whenever the demographic balance is disturbed, which derives from the nature of their primitive clan society; and that in their persecution of the Serbs the Albanians were more radical and cruel than all other Serb neighbours, using the most brutal means, as befits their Islamic-Turkish and fascist-Ballist tradition (Dobrica Ćosić, 1992).
Such negative stereotypes of Albanians were elaborated back in the second half of the 19th century, in books written by Serbian authors based on little serious study. Most widespread was the one about the Albanians’ hatred of Serbs. Archimandrite Hadži Seafim Ristić was among the first to speak of Albanians as the worst enemies of Christianity and the worst oppressors of the common people. Radosavljević-Bdin, inspired by patriotic feelings, when numbering the weapons that the enemies (i.e. neighbours) of the Serbs had used in their joint work of Serb destruction, ascribed the scimitar, gunpowder and lead to the Albanians. Hadži-Vasiljević saw the Albanians as ‘the greatest enemies of the Serbs’ (1906), their ‘sworn enemies’ (1909); he maintained that Serbs saw Albanians as their worst enemies, describing their attitude as follows: ‘Serbs are separated from true Turks by the thickness of an onion skin, and from Albanians by that of a buffalo hide’ (1913).
Skanderbeg was a Serb
The stereotype about Albanians as ‘Arbanised’ Serbs, though seemingly contradicting the above, is in fact in perfect harmony with it, given the view of the phenomenon of assimilation entertained by this part of the Serbian intelligentsia. To begin with, contemporary writers manipulate the number of ‘Arbanised’ Serbs. According to Samardžić, at the end of the 19th century 30-40 per cent of the Kosovo Albanian population was of Slav origin, a result achieved by what he calls a veritable pogrom. For Mladenović, meanwhile, two thirds of native Albanians are of Serb origin. Veselin Đuretić, for his part, insists that the true number is 80 per cent. Earlier authors did not deal in numbers, but found other ways, primarily visual, to deduce the Serb origin of the Kosovo Albanians: in their alleged lack of certain physical features present, for example, among Bulgarians.
The thesis that Skanderbeg was a Serb belonged at once to the stereotype of the Albanians’ Serb origins and to that of their inability to create a state. Its primary purpose was to explain this historical exception from the rule of the Albanians’ tribal and disorganised existence, and their lack of desire for a state. Just as contemporary Serbian writers like to stress that Skanderbeg’s mother was from the Balšić family, which in their view makes him a Serb, earlier writers too felt bound to insist on this argument. For these earlier authors Skanderbeg was a Serb, as were his comrades in arms; he was the last Serb dynast, who ruled lands inhabited by Serbs. Vladan Dorđević, while insisting that Skanderbeg was a Serb, wrote in an apologetic tone: ‘It is actually quite embarrassing that we must claim this sole hero whom the Albanians have managed to acquire during so many thousands of years, for in our six-century-long struggle from Kosovo to Kumanovo we have gained so many heroes that we could have done without this one. But we must not allow history to be falsified for the Albanians’ sake.’ Other authors followed him, repeating in unison that Albanians should not claim Skanderbeg as their own, because he was not a full-blooded Albanian but at least half-Serb.
Albanians are unfit for statehood
The most widespread stereotype in the period up to the First World War was that the Albanians lacked any desire to have their own state, which in turn argued that they had no right to have one. In 1878 Dimitrije Aleksijević wrote that the Albanians had the right to form their state west and south of the Drin, but only if they showed that they deserved it morally, for no state had been ever created by thieves and plunderers. Jovan Hadži-Vasiljević complained that the Albanians had started demanding independence and were denying to the Serbs the right to their lands. On the eve of the Balkan Wars, Ljuba Jovanović wrote that the existing situation in ‘Old Serbia’ had been created by wild and unbridled Albanians whom Istanbul could not pacify; that only Serbia could do that; and that in liberating ‘Old Serbia’ Serbia would also end the barbaric extermination of the Serb population there. According to Jovanović, since the legal science did not recognise the right of possession to something gained by criminal means, Serbia and the Serb people were right not to recognise the legality of the existing state of affairs created through banditry in this famous part of the Serbian fatherland. And while he believed that the Albanians had no right to remain in a land which they had taken by barbaric means, he was not in favour of removing them by force or treating them as an enslaved and conquered mass. He argued that they could stay there as Serbian citizens, without loss of their nationality; but he also concluded that Serbia did not need them.
The years that followed the Balkan Wars produced a plethora of books about the Albanians, their past and their character. Serbia’s primary aim was to reach the sea, and it now redirected its expansion from Salonica to Durrës, in the belief that this was necessary for its economic and political survival. This policy needed scientific arguments to back up its plans. It was now necessary to transfer the old stereotypes about the Albanians of Kosovo and Macedonia to the global plane, and to create a general image of the Albanians that would support the argument that they were not fit to have a state of their own. Serbian nationalist intellectuals, who wrote a great deal about the nationality principle, the awakening of nations, and how the Balkans belonged solely to the Balkan peoples – and who insisted upon the right of every nation to be free – never applied these principles to the Albanians, nor thought that any such rights and freedoms might apply to them. The Serb struggle for freedom, in the eyes of these authors, had to be rewarded with territories that were not necessarily and obviously Serb; while Albanian banditry had to be punished by denying their right to a state even in areas that were purely Albanian. This is why one cannot find a single author among this segment of the intellectual elite who supported the Albanians’ right to have their own state. On the contrary, any such demand was treated as unnatural and an unjust attack against Serbia and its progress.
The desire to prove that Serbia had the right to seize part of Albania in order to have its own coast was so strong that even serious authors succumbed to it. Jovan Cvijić published several articles in connection with the First Balkan War aimed at justifying Serbian political demands. Writing that ‘Old Serbia’ had an exit to the Adriatic Sea in a narrow belt between Shkodër, Lesh and Durrës, he advocated building a railway line to this coast. He was worried, though, that it would pass through Albanian-inhabited areas, saying that this people’s distrust of communications was well known, and that it was also well known that they were very excitable and easily provoked. Serbian demands at this point in time were, in fact, justified not so much in terms of Serb rights, but by an alleged incapacity of Albanians to live as an independent nation. The basic argument was that this primitive people was not fit to have its own state, and would therefore benefit from being exposed to Serb civilisation within a Serbian state.
Jovan Radonić wrote that at the time of the disintegration of the Serbian empire, the Albanians did not try to create their own state, but continued to live as tribes feeling no need for a wider community, thus proving that they did not have the capacity to become a nation. And since these tribes treated everything beyond their own borders as strange and hostile, it was not possible to speak of the Albanian people as a whole. He also argued that the Albanians had not produced their own leaders, but had remained largely subject to the beneficent effects of Serb culture, a state of affairs interrupted by the Turkish invasion. Protesting against the creation of an autonomous Albania that would cut Serbia off from the sea, Radonić insisted that there was no Albanian nationality; that the Albanians did not feel the need to have a state of their own; and that in any case they could not form one, because they showed no cultural disposition, no will, and no capacity to create a state-like community, preferring instead to live as they had done since the middle ages. He complained that this people, who had always been prone to disorder and violence, and who were the strongest opponents of equality, were now supposed to be rewarded with freedom. Rather than being incorporated into the states of the Balkan alliance, where as equal citizens now that Turkey had been defeated they would enjoy the benefits of culture and civilisation, it was now being proposed that they should be independent (Radonić, 1912).
Vladan Đorđević called the Albanians Europe’s Redskins; the Albanian port of Durrës a Serbian port; and the Albanian state that Austria and Italy wished to create a sad episode in the bloody but glorious Balkan epic poem. He asked: ‘Will this tremendous effort by Austria and Italy to create a state out of these Redskins come to anything? And will the colossal damage that the Great Powers will thereby inflict upon themselves be as great as the injustice they will be committing against the Balkans states? Arguing that the Albanians’ backwardness was an unsurmountable barrier to the creation of an Albanian state, he found its surprising that these people – people who did not know what such a thing was, and who thought that snow was sugar – were now claiming to be ready to die for their fatherland. Seeing in the future Albanian state only a barrier to Serbia’s advance, he wrote that the great powers had decided to turn these indolent barbarians into a state solely in order to hinder the progress of other diligent and brave nations, who within a single century had created cultured states through power and application.
Although he wrote his book in order to prove the justice of the Serbian quest for exits to the sea, he also felt the need to point to the profit that would accrue to Europe by Albanians not having their state, arguing that an Albania, being a Muslim state, would be an anachronism for Europe and for its ideals. This is why, in his view, the colonial principle was the only way to solve the Albanian problem, because only a foreign state could create law and order in Albania, and create the conditions that would make it possible for the Albanians to become a nation. Wondering how a people who did not see themselves as constituting a particular nation could henceforth be treated as one, and insisting that the Albanians in their development remained at the stage of pre-history, he concluded that it would take at least a hundred years before they could rightly call themselves a nation. In other words, the slogan ‘The Balkans to the Balkan peoples’ did not apply to the Albanians (Đorđević, 1913).
In the same year that Đorđević’s book was published, the Serbian minister of the interior Stojan Protić published one of his own under the pseudonym of Balkanicus. Although seemingly more moderate in tone, this book used the same arguments and with the same intention. It was published, moreover, by the same publishing house, which makes one wonder whether this was a coordination of efforts to meet given political needs. The main message of Protić’s book too was that it was Serbia’s right to demand an exit to the sea on the Albanian coast. Citing all kinds of ‘scientific’ authorities, Protić argued that the Albanians of northern Albania had lost much of their racial purity, for their blood contained a large Serb component. He repeated the argument that the Albanians had no common language or alphabet, no folk literature or crafts of their own, and noted that it had become fashionable in Italy and Austria-Hungary to portray the Albanians as a talented race and to paint their character in attractive and sympathetic colours.
Against this, Protić quoted a number of foreign authors who had written about the Albanians’ backwardness, concluding that they had remained at the level at which they had found themselves a thousand years earlier. Wondering about the failure of the neighbouring civilisations to influence them, and their inability to evolve into a state community, he concluded sarcastically that such a healthy, spiritual and talented nation – as some gentlemen gave it out to be – had managed to absorb nothing of all their neighbours’ cultures and civilisations, but remained singular and sufficient to themselves. He argued that the Albanians were not capable of independent national existence, because, being committed to self-will and freedom of the wilderness, they did not have nor could have had any feeling for social freedom.
Their reward for their loyal service to the sultan, according to Protić, was permission to kill and exterminate the Serbs, and to seize from the latter their property and land, which was the Albanians’ only talent. Buttressing further his political position, he sought in religion the reasons for deterioration of the relationship between Serbs and Albanians, who in his view had used to be good before becoming Muslims: We have seen in this war too that only Muslim Albanians fought against the Serbs, while Christian Albanians welcomed the Serbs practically everywhere as liberators.
Protić argued that no Albanian question had existed before others had posed it, because the Albanians did not seek a state for themselves. Austria’s fervent advocacy of the lowest and most uncultured race in the Balkan peninsula, which had proved unable to move beyond tribal life for the past two thousand years or to create the smallest state – and its demand, in accordance with the alleged principle of nationality, of extensive borders for this race at the expense of the Serb race, which was stronger, more cultured and far more capable of state life – was in his view nothing but a screen for its own territorial expansion (Balkanicus, 1913)
The key argument of Serbian writings at the start of the century was that Albania was not the product of the Albanians’ national aspirations, and that it did not have the necessary conditions for an independent life, because the Albanians were not nationally united. The state that was being created was not created for them, but as a means to turn the Balkan peninsula into a colony of Great Germany (Cemović, 1913). The idea of independence could not have arisen from among the Albanians themselves, but was the work of others. In this independent Albania, not a single Serb, Christian or indeed Turk would be able to survive (Jaša Tomić, 1913). It was also said that the Serbian army could have taken the area around Vlorë without a fight, but had left it – under pressure from an ill-intentioned Austria – in favour of an independent Albania in which Austria was seeking to multiply, with the aid of its political bacteriologists, the cultures of bandits without ideas, in order to facilitate its own struggle against Serbia, Montenegro and Greece (Stepanović, 1913).
The Albanian character
Yet certain of these authors were ambivalent about the character of the Albanians. Even those who generally painted them in the blackest of colours, when they came into direct contact with them on their travels also acknowledged their many positive sides, which at times even raised them above Serbs. Thus the travel writer Ivan Ivanić described the Albanians of Kaçanik as handsome, tall men known for their bravery, whose love songs were very emotive, because their strong southern blood made them passionate lovers, and reported that guests were fully protected in their homes and their women untouchable (Ivanić, 1903). Hadži-Vasiljević praised their diligence; he stated that their fields and vineyards were of the best quality; that they were the best at animal husbandry and the best craftsmen; that when they had enough to live they were peaceful and good neighbours, and even trusted friends; that they were healthy and tough; that they did not say much, but liked to show off; that they were proud and conceited (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1909). He stressed their moderation, in that they drank little other than coffee; that they ate better than Serbs and cared more than the latter for cleanliness and health; that they were handsome, though not so much their women; and that the pretty women you did find among them derived from an Albanian-Serb mingling, and from beautiful Serb girls having converted to Islam. He said they were hospitable, quiet and polite, sober and clever, but also crafty and jealous (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1913).
Stojan Novaković described them as bony, slim people, healthy and as hardy as flint; but he complained that they were also wild, robbing and often killing every Serb peasant they met (Novaković, 1906). Jaša Tomić acknowledged their military prowess, saying that they were exceptionally skilled warriors, and that no one could accuse them of cowardice; that they did not attack women, and were very hospitable (Tomic, 1913). Although he did not see them as fit to have a state, Toma Oraovac admitted that they were native to the Balkans and one of its more cultured and advanced peoples; while Dragiša Vasić argued that they were supremely more honest and humane than Bulgarians – which is understandable in a book about the Bulgarians (Vasić, 1919).
Interest in Albanians rapidly declined following the formation of a Yugoslav state. They were mentioned in writing only accidentally; negatively, of course, but no longer as the main subject of interest or the main enemy. This role was taken over by Croats, who replaced first the Bulgarians and then the Albanians.
Extracts from ‘U tradiciji nacionalizma ili stereotipi srpskih intelektualaca XX veka o “nama” i “drugima” [In the Tradition of Nationalism, or Serb intellectuals’ stereotypes about "us" and "them"]’, Ogledi no.1, The Helsinki Committee for Human Rights in Serbia, 2002, reproduced on Radio B92′s Pescanik [Hourglass] website from which this translation has been made. The original version has a full scholarly apparatus of bibliographical references, for the most part omitted here.
Arbo!
Je i modh. Zor se ka bir none serbe t’lexoj gjith ca ke shkru. Perfundimisht ia ke myll gojen.
Kosova has never been Serbia, even when has been invaded by them.
Serbs & Albanians I wish you to enjoy a good health.
Blessings
It’s funny, all of the discussions between Albanians and Serbs end at the point “who was here first”. Does it matter?
The point is, Kosovo is now de facto a country, not only recognised by US, but by the majority of EU countries and other countries as well. It is a matter of time before the majority of world countries recognise it too.
As for Brezovica, I completely agree with a blogger’s comment that Serbian government should invest in its territory the 40 million. The south of Serbia remains largely undeveloped. This country is the only ex YU reupblic with remnants in mentality and physical infrstructure of the old times, failing economy, and a high undemplyment. No wonder that citizens’ attention is diverted by Kosovo, as means of making them forget how poor their life really is.
Brezovica will not develop as an resort from these investments. Both local Serbs that live in Shtrpce, and the Kosovo economy will be hurt, since the interest with these investment is not development, but rather frozen status quo of socialist looking ski resort, where small number of Serb families are pumped with money to keep the place undeveloped. Privatizsing the resort would multiply the number of visitors, improve the old infrastructure, and unity Serbs and Albanians under same the objecitve: make as much profit as possible.
Existing infrastrucutre in Kosovo is Kosovo’s property. It will serve as reparations to hundreds of thousands who have no life now due to massive forecful lay off by the regime in the 90′s.
As for Anna, I feel sory for the Macedonian. She seems to be one of the Macedonians who try to be more catholic than the pope, in this context, more Serb than the Serbs. I have seen this kind of behavior by some of Macedonians before, protecting their Serbian “brothers”, in name of Slavism and Orthodox faith. It is a sign of inferiority cimplex, they feel too small of a nation, which they are. Instead of going on with life, content with what they are, they try to kiss the behind of their Serbian big brother, and make up stories of connections to anthic Greece, which is preposterous. And they hate Albanians. It is pitiful.
Regarldess of this, both Serbs and Macedonians will have to face the fact that they are dealing with a new neighbor, stronger economically and culturaly. Long gone are days where you could limit Albanian participation in economy in building of sewers, construction or bakeries. Now you will deal with them in all spheres, in political, cultural and social debates.
I would encourage people to move from “who was here first” to the factual situation on the ground. And that one is that everyone in Kosovo, be that an Albanian, Serb, Roma, Bosniak, have to start thinking of economic survuval rather than be subsidised by the Serbian or Kosovo government.
Kosovo belongs to Serbian people. They lived and fought for their land since the 6th century. They fought Bulgarians, Hungarians and Ottomans – never Albanians. People known as Albanian are first time mention in 11th century and they lived in the territory of todays Albania. Thats 500 years later. It is also no proof that Albanians are coming from Illiryans. This is history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Kosovo
“Slavs came to the territories of roughly modern-day Kosovo in the 6th-7th centuries, with the largest waves coming in the 630s. The Slavs were christianized in several waves, between the 7th and 9th century, with the last wave taking place between 867 and 874. The northwestern part of Kosovo – Hvosno, became a part of the Byzantine-vassalaged Serb Principality of Rascia, with Dostinik as the Principality’s Capital.
In the late 800s entire Kosovo was seized by the forces of the Czardom of the Bulgarians. Although Serbia restored control over Metohija throughout the 10th century, the rest of Kosovo was returned to the Byzantine Empire after the Bulgarian Empire crumbled in the late 900s. In a renewed Slavic rebellion of Tsar Samuil of Bulgaria, entire Kosovo was controlled by the renewed Bulgarian Czardom from the late 10th century, until the Byzantine restoration of 1018. In 1040–1041 a massive Slavic rebellion against the Eastern Roman Empire arose that temporarily controlled Kosovo. After its break, the Byzantines restored control.
In 1072 the local Slavs under George Voiteh pushed a final attempt to restore Imperial Bulgarian power and invited the last heir of the House of Comitopuli – Duklja’s prince Konstantin Bodin of the House of Vojislavljević, son of the Serbian King Mihailo Voislav. The Serbs decided to conquer the entire Byzantine theme of Bulgaria, so King Mihailo dispatched his son with 300 finest Serb fighters led by Duke Petrilo. Constantine Bodin was crowned in Prizren as Petar III, Czar of the Bulgarians by George Voiteh and Slavic Boyars. The Empire swept across Byzantine territories in months, until the significant losses on the south had forced Czar Petar to withdraw. In 1073 the Byzantine forces chased Constantine Bodin, defeated his army at Pauni and had him imprisoned.
The full Serbian takeover was carried out under a branch of the House of Voislav Grand Princes of Rascia. In 1093, Prince Vukan advanced all the way to Lipljan, burned it down and raided the neighbouring areas. The Byzantine Emperor himself came to Zvečan for negotiations. Zvečan served as the Byzantine line-of-defence against constant invasions from the neighbouring Serbs. A peace was concluded, but Vukan broke it and defeated the army of John Comnenus, the Emperor’s nephew. His armies stormed Kosovo. Byzantine Emperor Alexius had to come to Ulpiana in 1094 and negotiated again. Peace was concluded and Vukan gave hostages to the Emperor, including his two nephews Uroš and Stefan Vukan. Prince Vukan renewed the warring in 1106, once again defeating John Comnenus’ army, but Vukan’s following death put a halt to a total conquest of Kosovo.
In 1166, a Serbian nobleman from Zeta, Stefan Nemanja, the founder of the House of Nemanja asserted to the Rascian Grand Princely throne and conquered most of Kosovo, in an uprising against the Byzantine Emperor Manuel I Comnenus. He defeated the previous Grand Prince of Rascia Tihomir’s army at Pantino, near Pauni. Tihomir, who was Stefan’s brother, was drowned in the Sitnica river. Stefan was eventually defeated and had to return some of his conquests, and vouched to the Emperor that he would not raise his hand against him. In 1183, Stefan Nemanja embarked on a new offensive with the Hungarians after the death of Manuel I Comnenus in 1180, which marked the end of Byzantine domination of Kosovo.
Nemanja’s son, Stefan II, recorded Nemanja’s conquests, as Nemanja restored Kosovo from the Greeks, the border of the Serbian realm reaching the river of Lab. Grand Prince Stephen II finished the inclusion of the Kosovo territories in 1208, by which time he had conquered Prizren and Lipljan, and moved the border of his realm to the Šar mountain.
In 1217, the Serbian Kingdom achieved recognition. In 1219, an autocephalous Serbian Orthodox Church was created, with Hvosno, Prizren and Lipljan being the Orthodox Christian Episcopates on Kosovo. By the end of the 13th century, the centre of the Serbian Church was moved to Peć from Žiča.
In the 13th century, Kosovo becomes the heart of the Serbian political and religious life with the Šar mountain becoming the political center of the Serbian rulers.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians
“Albanians are the descendants of a Paleo-Balkans people, perhaps the ancient Illyrians or Thracians/Dacians or a mixture of these, but scholarly opinion is divided on specifics. The name Albanian itself was first mentioned in the 2nd century BCE by Polybius (Arbanios, Arbanitai with their city Arbon), the 1st century CE by Pliny (Olbonensis), and the 2nd century CE by geographer and astronomer Ptolemy (Albanoi), as one of the important Illyrian tribes situated where is now Central Albania with Albanopolis as their main city. The ethnonym applied to the people now known as Albanians is first attested from the 11th century (e.g. Anna Komnene, Alexiad 4.8.4), although such a nominal connection does not prove an actual link to Illyrians. The first reference to a lingua albanesca dates to the later 13th century.”
I am only sorry to see that more bloodshed is coming …
Albo – you pathetic person – where exactly was he accused of genocide over Albanians? Ps he died before trial was over and as such he has died an INNOCENT man. Eat your heart out. PS Genetic testig does not lie ans you do!!!!
It’s funny, all of the discussions between Albanians and Serbs end at the point “who was here first”. Does it matter?
But it dose matter since Albos is claming that albnaians are ilirians and there is simply NO evidence for it. So lets test! Other point is since obviously you do not understand is that PRIVATE PROPERY IS SACRET. And 58% of the LAND of Kosovo is owened by Serbian people. What happened with 40000 Serbs that lived in Pristina? Who moved into their appartmants. Again I am glad that you declared independence since now you could be sued.
PS – Very typical of schiptar to offend once they lose argument.
You can NOT PRIVATISE something that is not YOURS. Or it would be ok for me to ‘privatize’ your car. IT IS THEAFT. See you in courts over this!!!
Demographic history of Kosovo ( and you Albos ARE STIL LIARS)
Ottoman Rule
15th century
1455: Turkish cadastral tax census (defter)9 of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present-day Kosovo and Metohija) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). By ethnicity:
12,985 Serbian dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns
75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages
46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages
17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages
5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vučitrn
1 Jewish dwelling in Vučitrn
1 Croat dwelling
http://www.answers.com/topic/demographic-history-of-kosovo
Let’s finalize this interesting discussion. Serbs and Belgrade FUCK OFF. We are independent!
These Albanians here certainly have a twisted sense of reality.
Didn’t Albanians side with the Nazis during WWII, along with their other fascist buddies, the Croats and the Bosnian Moslems? Wasn’t it during WWII that many Albanians left Europe’s sewer, Albania, and moved illegally into Kosovo. Following WWII weren’t these illegal residents permitted to stay on in Kosovo by Yugoslavia’s Communist dictator, Tito (who just happened to be a Croat/Slovene)?
The blood fueds and clan structure that are the norm in Albanian society are pretty damn primative. If Darwin had’ve encountered an Albanian during his lifetime he would’ve realised that he had finally found the missing link to complete his thesis.
Only about 15% of the world’s nations have recognised Kosovo’s independance, and some have those have done so reluctantly after pressure from the US and its buddies.
It’s hilarious and rather sad that the Albanians actually believe that Kosovo is now independant. They’re about as independant now as a dog is when it’s getting taken for a walk on a leash. I guess that’s not too bad for some – at least if they sit, roll over, or learn to bark the Star-Spangled Banner on cue, their master may give them a biscuit or two. Godd stuff Albos, you lot ought to be proud of yourselves. lol
Fati…
Take your anger elsewhere. Since this site obviously isnt monitoring people like you who can’t be civil….let me be the one to say: go away loser! I could say vulgar things…but then I guess I would be stooping to your level….and we all know we wouldn’t want to go that low! Seriously…when did this thread go to cutting and pasting articles and letting people like Tony and Fati crawl out from under their rocks. Something tells me they’ve never even seen a pair of skis. Like I said before…you guys make me laugh. This wasn’t supposed to be a forum for politics. Yet here we have a bunch of people who would like to show just what not going to school can do to a mind. No doubt in my mind that Serbs everywhere can only chuckle….sit back and see exactly how long this supposed independence will last. Incredible that we as humans continue to take steps back…instead of forward. Happy skiing all!!!! Does anyone have a snowboard for sale? Or a place to stay in Whistler?
Anna,
it is not in my nature to use that kind of language and offend anyone. Still, you didn’t hesitate to just call us all LIERS etc… Moreover, i do tend to cite my sources, something you don’t. Not for anything, but when you start throwing exact figures, i will have to double check it first and than believe you. There is a conflict of interes here pumpkin and as much as i want to, i just dont believe you. Like i previously said, in order to do DNA compariosn (which you seem to uphold) there MUST be at least 2 parties involved. I am not aware of any Illyrian graves with actual boddies to extract DNA therefore, unless you could enlighten us and somehow provide some sources we could verify, you’re just simply not reliable. Moreover, just because Millochevic died in prision awaiting his trial does not mean he was innocent. You are predispossed to hate me just because of my nationality. Let me tell you something:
1. You do not have the right to exist more than i do.
2. Your nationality does not make you superior than me.
“”"”Albo – you pathetic person – where exactly was he accused of genocide over Albanians? Ps he died before trial was over and as such he has died an INNOCENT man. Eat your heart out. PS Genetic testig does not lie ans you do!!!!”"”"
-> Do you actually deny Millochevic was charged with genocide and everything else i mentioned above?
-> Are you aware of the difference between ‘charged’ and ‘convicted’?
-> Eat my heart out? Sweety, we got what we wanted, no need for that.
All of you, ned, srbin, maxmilian, dusko, danny, alexander, no euro, danny,jack(ass) dzoni what is your real name as you change it due to the genocide that you done in KOSOVA and are hiding, and Anna. All of YOU ARE Serbs so get alive and try to live as you have become so small and the most hatred people in the world.
We don’t fight with arms anymore but intelligence, we don’t do massacres’ or think to kill pregnant woman and children.
Anna we can see how racist you are and how are you ready to kill more Kosovars as you called US by the name of ‘schiptar’ and its shqiptar, Thank you for starting to speak our language. Telling us about the Illyrians from the russian library, hey you are russians and not serbs, just manage to occupy a place which Austro-Hungarian let you keep it.
Get real and think about your children future as for all you serbs mentioned above,
YOU NEVER HAD KOSOVO NOR WILL YOU NEVER HAVE IT.
Kosova was never part of fucked up serbia. Look at the REAL history before you fuckin dick people start chatting shit. Also learn how to speak proer English before you speak it you dumb, mother fucking serbs.
Illyria is where Kosova is from. Even half of serbia was part of OUR land, but we gave it to you since is stank of shit, like you. Also part of Illyria was Albania, northern parts of Greece, parts of Montenegro, and northern parts of Maqedonia…so in other words, you fuckin serbs, be happy with what you got, and dont speak about my country since you don’t know shit about it; which is clearly shown by all you fucked up serbs on this reply forum.
Its true that serbia needs to spend this 40 euro’s in builing mental hospitals in fuckin serbia, not helping Kosovan ski resort- we dont want and don’t need your fucked up money, which stinks of shit, and comes from crime, drugs and other sins you pigs commit.
Finally, URRIME PAVARSINE TE GJITH SHQIPTARVE KU DO QE JENI.
HAPPY INDEPENDANCE TO ALL MY KOSOVAN PEOPLE WHEREVER YOU ARE, AND ALSO THANKS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HELPED US MOVE AWAY FROM SKUMS OF THE EARTH serbia WHO KILLED VIOLENTLY OUR CHILDREN, FAMILIES, FRINDS, DOCTORS, PREGNANT WOMEN, POLITITIANS AND OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE..
Albo, Schiptars are not descendants of the Illirians. You guys can’t even get your own history right.
And Prishtinali, the Serbs were the only people in the region to oppose nazism and fight it. They were hated back then by the Nazis just as they are hated now. The haters will be beaten today as they were beaten back then. In 1941 the Croats, Bosnian Moslems and Albanians were talking much like the Schiptars are today, thinking they’d rule for a thousand years.
If your comment is an example of the level of intelligence that you claim will be used by Schiptars to fight from now on, do yourselves a favour and surrender now.
The KLA couldn’t beat the Serbs in 98 and needed NATO’s help. NATO bombed Serbia for 11 weeks straight and barely managed to hit a dozen tanks. They were afraid to get their ground troops in and instead were going after civilian targets. Following the war the schiptars went on a rampage of murder, abduction and theft, targeting primarily Serbs but also Gorani, other ethnicities and even Albanians who were not sympathetic to the KLA. Over 200,000 people were ethnically cleansed by the current leaders of “independant” Kosovo.
KOSOVO IS SERBIA. At least by the end of your comment you were able to get something right – KosovO does not end with an “a”.
Ned…
I am not angry at all. And you know why? Because all Serbs can do now is that they Bark as a stroller dog and nothing more. Independence will last forever, and you know because we are getting latest technology of weapons from US. And finally after some years it will be member of NATO. After all, it does not matter how you win the war. So Albanians won the war. Good bye forever Serbia. And may God destroy it once for all.
fati, you right how could the whole world be wrong, only 35 countries out of 190 recognize Kosovo. Kosovo isnt recognized. 2nd more then half of those countries that recognized were pressured by the USA. or given incentives i.e peru given free-trade with US or Poland getting a military make-over worth over 15million euros, go figure
USA paid $1 U.S. dollar for a 99 year lease of camp Bondsteel
they are protecting a “no questions asked” policy not albanians
USA now owns Kosovo not the Albanians they just live there
United Nations: Kosovo—A Narco-Terrorist “State”
The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) has warned in its latest report that the axis between South American drug cartels and the Albanian mafia have acquired alarming proportions, and reports by several intelligence agencies show that Kosovo is a distribution center on the crossroads of global routes and pathways of drug trafficking.
This presents reason for concern, primarily because of the new pathways of drug trafficking and the including of cocaine in the range of products offered by the groups that are active along the Balkan drug route, the UNODC annual report for 2007 said. The Albanian mafia has recently begun taking over the control of ports in Romania, in addition to the already solid network existing in Albania and Montenegro, the report said.
Albanian “Freedom Fighters” Control Heroin Trade in Western Europe
This warning by UNODC is the latest in a series of alarming reports by a number of agencies in charge of fighting organized crime, including the FBI, Interpol and Europol, which state that the Albanian mafia is the most dangerous criminal organization in Europe because it controls a huge part of the heroin trade in a number of European states: Switzerland, Greece, Belgium, Austria, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Norway, and, recently, in Great Britain.
The western European heroin market, of which 40-75 percent is controlled by Albanians, brings annual earnings of around seven billion dollars, which makes the trafficking in this type of narcotic by far the most profitable activity in the Balkans, western intelligence services have reported.
KLA Linked with Every Narco-Cartel in the Middle and Far East
The territory that includes Albania, Kosovo and western Macedonia is a huge drug warehouse. Its contents are drugs measured not in kilograms, but in tons, a western diplomat posted in the Balkans said in a statement for the Tanjug new agency, explaining how intelligence sources estimate that there are at least seven tons of heroin in this region at all times, ready to be moved to the west.
Former official of the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Michael Levine has said that one of the wings of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA/UCK) was linked with every known narco-cartel in the Middle East and the Far East, and that almost every European intelligence service and police has files on connections between ethnic Albanian terrorists and drug trafficking.
Kosovo as an Afghan and Pakistani Gateway to Western Europe
Albania and Kosovo are the heart of the Balkan drug trade route which links Pakistan and Afghanistan with Europe. That route is worth around seven billion dollars annually and around 80 percent of the heroin intended for the western European market is smuggled along this route, said a report presented to the US Congress.
International representatives in Kosovo complained in the recent years that it is difficult to estimate, in the complicated relations on the political stage of the Kosovo Albanians and ethnic Albanians in Macedonia or southern Serbia proper, whether politics controls organized crime or the mafia controls politicians.
Or, as General Fabio Mini said on his departure from the post of commander of the international peacekeeping force in Kosovo, KFOR: “Organized crime groups in Kosovo do not have influence on the authorities in the province — they are the authorities.”
Evidence from Del Ponte’s 2003 Visit to the Scene of Crime
Del Ponte says in her book that she made a trip with a group of Hague investigators and one Albanian ‘prosecutor’ to the yellow house in Albania in 2003.
“It was now white,” Del Ponte writes. “Despite the fact that investigators discovered traces of yellow paint on it, the owner denied it was ever repainted.”
In its vicinity, investigators found pieces of gauze, used syringes, two plastic IV solution bags “petrified in mud”, empty medicine bottles, including muscle relaxants used during the butcheries.
Inside the house itself, forensics discovered traces of blood on the walls and on the floor in one of the rooms. A section of the floor, size 180 by 60 centimeters, was clean.
“The owner of the house offered a series of explanations to the investigators when it came to the origin of the blood traces. First, he said that his wife gave birth in that room many years ago. But when the wife gave her statement and said that all their children were born elsewhere, he claimed that his family used the room to slaughter animals in order to celebrate Muslim holidays,” Del Ponte writes.
The Albanian ‘prosecutor’ who accompanied them, according to Del Ponte, “revealed a whole other dimension of the problems in cooperation.”
“He bragged about his cousins who are KLA members and told the Tribunal investigator: ‘There are no graves of Serbs here. But, if they took the Serbs across the border from Kosovo and killed them, they did the right thing’,” recounts Del Ponte.
Describing detailed information she has on the matter, Del Ponte writes that detectives had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved “impossible”.
“kosovo was never part of serbia” is probably one of the most ignorant quotes ever blubbered.
Fati is clearly ill-informed.
Supporting the fraudulent and illegal independence of Kosovo is not doing anything for the residents there. It is only encouraging the thieving criminality of George Bush, Dick Cheney and George Soros. By breaking the United Nations Charter on behalf of his corporate masters, Bush has put the very existence of the United Nations at risk. He has also almost certainly guaranteed another very bloody and destructive war.
hahahhahahah @ Anna, serbs and croats are illyrian??? AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WHAT A FREAKING RETARD or should I say you are Slobodan MiloSHIT’s wife?
serbs are SLAVIC who came from RUSSIA, thats it, a shitty place RUSSIA. Go back there, Europe doesn’t want you! Ohhh and after the elections you will be like South and North Korea
Miki, USA might own Kosova, because USA knows how to treat people with democracy and freedom, and Serbia killed them Kosovars. And it seems that Kosova is a state of USA, you won’t touch it or we’ll bomb you again
Greetings from USA
For thousands of years that region of the globe has seen nothing but bloodshed, and why?
The reason for that is becouse that region is stuck in a cycle of revenge, one party has to be the last to suffer, and as a person who actualy fought in the war, i am willing to be the last to suffer if we could just forget the past and see to a better future for both sides.
DEAL?
WOW!!!!! How messed up in the head is Mr Peja??? Grow up dude. People are trying to have civil discussions. I am very happy you aren’t a Serb. Keep portraying and representing people the way that you do! I don’t mind at all. I guess its tough when your tiny ego has been bruised or someone says something you don’t agree with. That’s part of life my friend. And let’s be straight again…when Kosovo is truly an independent nation (and not when a small percentage of the world has said “oh, sure…we’ll recognize you so so we can get in there for our own interests)…then call me. But for some reason I know my phone won’t ring any time soon!
OK….now lets wait for all the slams and f-bombs to come out of the children out there!! hahahaha I love laughing at the losers of the world. Oh…and Fati….you also give me a shout when Kosovo gets that NATO membership. I don’t have to worry about God doing a number on us. You obviously don’t believe in him…or you wouldn’t talk that way. Oh wait…you probably don’t believe in him and probably were quite ok with 9-11. Go back underneath your rock and get educated.
Dear Anna….
You sound so depressed darling.
As if life gave you the elbow throwing you in a rubbish bin.
Is it that bin where you get your inspiration from?
I wish you closed the lid to keep all the smell to yourself. You could open the lid to let stray dogs in every now and then. I hope they satisfy your wishes, so you can cheer up a little bit.
Poor soul……
To all the Serbian people:
“And let us not lose heart and grow weary and faint in acting nobly and doing right, for in due time and at the appointed season we shall reap. If we do not loosen and relax our courage and faint.”
Galatians, 6:9
Gezim – cry baby cry … There shall be judgement very soon …
Hi,
Some interesting stats on Albanians in Kosovo:
-70% have not finished secondary school
-50% are unemployed
I guess this explains how a mafia organization like the KLA has been able to take over the power in this area.
Why on earth the US pushed for independence is beyond me…
Marina – that explains low lewel of the albanian inteligence at least on this site.
It is worrying to see the Kosovo Albanians tolerate the current KLA leaders. Even being uneducated shouldn’t make them such blind followers to Ceku, Thaci- it is as if they were gods.
The Serbs, despite various degrees of education, have always been outspoken and critical of their politicians. Even in the dark days of Milosevic. He ended up being delivered to The Hague by his own people. This type of challenge to authority if healthy. Maybe this is why the US-EU was so adamant to break-up the Serbian state. The US is building a military base in Kosovo. I guess they don’t want to be disturbed by anyone asking questions.
listen to the state of you people ? probably only 8 out of ten could even find the balkans on a map … i just love listening to americans preach bollocks sitting in there comfort zone with a double cheese burger in one hand and a tv remote in the other , no doubt watching cnn or fox and beliving the dribble thats feed to them. the reality on the ground is 99% of serbs are hardworking decent people , as are albanians and croatians . in real life people in the balkans are still trying to etch out a living after 20 years of war and agression from the west . leave the serbs alone … or go there for yourself before you talk shit anymore .
lee coleman , london UK .
PS , tony you wont be dropping any bombs . the only bombs are the large and nasty ones coming your way when you least expect it from even more nasty people .
very sad , but very true im afraid .
america has made itself a target thru its own greed and foolishness .
Let’s Work More on Practical Problems!
1 – Serbian minority in Kosova should have no less rights than Albanian in Serbia, but Nothing more.
2 – Stop dual parallel governments in Kosova and in North Mitrovica.
3 – Ask Serbian Government to pay, at least 7 billion Dollars, for 190,000 destroyed or damaged homes, and for families of more than 10,000 killed by the Serbian army and Serbian Paramilitary.
4 -The Ahtisaari plan was not approved by the UN and was rejected and never accepted Serbia. The Ahtisaari plan was rejected and void by Kosovars too, with declaration of the independence. Therefore, it’s null and void. Don’t let anyone to put this “PLAN” on the table again. This plan is nothing more than an “UTOPIA”. It didn’t work and newer will work again.
5 – If you won’t stand up for your land and your rights, everybody will play with you.
aaaaahahahahahah u kry bac u kry
IT IS FINISHEDPLEASE BE AWARE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE SERBIA WITHIN THE NEXT 100 YEARS
ILIRIAN-ALBANIAN SONS ARE AWAKENING AND THEY ARE COMING BACK FOR THEIR LANDS
YOU MAY ASK WHY I AM SAYING THIT– WELL IT IS SIMPLE WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY BODY TO MANIPULATE WITH US ANY MORE
P.S AND WE GOT MORE THEN 3 MILLION (THAT CAME TO USA IN THE LAST 100 YEARS) ALBANINANS IN USA STRONG WITH POLITICAL POWER AND SHIT LOAD OF MONEYYYYYYYYYY
BYEEEEEE BYEEEEEE FROM NEW YORK BABY
I read the things that all of you had to say
And I came to the conclusion that it is not good to judge any body or say any bad things about anybody especially a sensitive subject such as the subject in hand
But let as be realistic Albanians don’t like Slavs bogomols however you want to call them
Reason because they let them settle in their land and the Slavic people took their lands by manipulating them AND NO Albanian’s are not stupid but they are good hearted and helped everybody from beginning of time and look what we got
Lets start with Greeks we let them settle in our land and they now say that our history belongs to them our heritage, then the Slavs same thing we let them settle now they say that our lands belong to them IT HAS TO STOP
You see Albanian people for a fact never started wars but it is true they will not run from it neither (well their was that time that Zerksis xerxa p…. us of and Alexander went and kick their asses all the way to ASIA butt that had to happen he asked for it) you say that Albanian’s this and Albanian’s that I tell you what
LETS TRY AND LEAVE THE ALBANIANS ALONE OK
The reason is this
1 they are more in number
2 within Kosova Shqiperi you have more than 6 million Albanians but do not forget that you have more than 2 or 3 millions in America that have power and money and RESPECT within American people o and 13 % of Swisserland people that are Albanians not to mention in Italy Germany Belgium Austria turkey new Zealand and other parts of the world
3 lets face it the FAT LEADY has sang the song it is over
4 90-95 % of Albanians in Kosova Shqiperia America and around the world of age 35 and under have university degrees
5 a short answer for MARINA there was a reason for Albanians that didn’t attend schools because they had a small thing called occupation on their hands that they had to worry about for more than 600 hundred years while they where trying to save everybody else from the Turk’s
YOU KNOW WHAT SERBS I AM SORRY BUT I GIVE YOU AND THE OTHER SLAVS 100 YEARS TOPS AND YOU WILL BE KICKED FROM THE LAND OF ILLYRIA ILIRIA ILLYRICUM HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS TIME FOR US TO GET OUR LAND BACK
P.S THE RELIGION OF ALBANIAN IS BEING ALBANIAN PASHKO VASO
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heheheheh please you fought the germans please you fake russinas are worst than anything in the planet
ehehheehehehe
You know what is funny the hole world has found out that serbs are asshols and lairs manipulators and no body ells is willing to do business with them nor listen to what they have to say
Lady’s and gentlemen good night and GOD BLEES ALBANIANS AND AMERICANS AND JEWS BUT NOT sverbs sorry serbs
Reading all these emails, i can say that most australians do not support kosovo independance. Only countries held with strings by the American government have recognised independance and it is a minority. How many South American, African countries have recognised independance. Anyway this is about ski field and if the owners wish to invest money into their own property then what is wrong with that. Pristina is up there with the dirtiest cities in the world. Who are the majority that live there. My pets live in better conditions. Oh and yes it is Kosovo and Metohija always was and will be and hopefully UNESCO provide safety to the beautiful serbian monasteries at which Albanian people could only dream about designing and constructing. I have nothing against anyone but if ou go to live in another country such as Albanians moved to Serbia then RESPECT it ie keep it clean, obey law. If different cultures become majority who gives them the right to declare independance? Why doesn’t America support opposition government in Zimbabwe against oppressive Mugabi government? Why doesn’t American intervene in Sudan to protect normal citizens suffereing from Civil War? Why doesn’t American government help its own people and sort out its economy? I could go on, but the reason is that there is no oil, no zinc, no regional requirement and not important when it comes to strategic situations. Anyway enjoy the ski field and support the Serbian government if they wish to invest money, it can only be a good thing for us to enjoy..
cili vend osht nda prej shkive ka perparu si Kroacia edhe Sllovenia edhe mali i zi ka me perparu edhe Kosova .Maqedonia edhe Bosnja zor se nuk jon nda definitivisht se jon nen kontroll te tyne
Edhe per kta ktu qe jon mbet ne kosov her do kur kan me shku ne shkolla shqip edhe kan me msu shqip edhe kan me msu qysh mos me mbyt njerz qysh me kon demokrat me msu qka osht qenja njerzore me msu sa i rendsishem osht ni qenje njerzore.
nuk po shkruj anglisht se ju qe jeni ktu e dini edhe shqipen se ton jeni shkie edhe shqiptar kshtu qe dy part e dini shqipen
Uzz people are so soft when it comes to an economic report and uzz go right away to fuck albania, fuck kosova, fuck serbia.blah blah blah, KOSOVA IS INDEPENDENT, now i understand we dont have much of an education but frankly serbs didnt let us to go to schools because they knew we are damn smart people, took our guns beacuse they knew we are damn strong people, i am not saying serbs are not but they knew we so CRAZY so they anticipated, i understand they have great politics but we will learn and as we are to this moment we are getting stronger and better and i know that hurts them, who was there first dont matter no more, now it matters who is there..and its ALBANIANS…as for the article i think bussines people should invest but not states because that is a luxurious thing to do(skiing), state(s) should invest into bigger problems internal problems…as for people talking smack here dont judge albos for being so hard on u its our way of saying leave me alone fuckface, once we say a bad word you go straight to justifying that:o look at the albanians language..kiss my ass, i know i am confident, strong and smart and if you got balls come and face me AGAIN…
every1 have a nice life and go on with your life , for all i think this is politics from now on and nothing personal beetwen serbs and albos because whats been done is done WE ARE FREE..i would appreciate it if you dont talk shit and go on with your life before you step on our toes again and all hell breaks loose…..
SHQIPETAR ME RROJE E ME GJAKE
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